Yeah, that sounds about right to me. I’d look for a different provider if you’re looking for speed. Like I said above, OVH was unusable to me so I went to hetzner.
Lookup “lowendbox” if you want something cheap. I used some Christmas or new year deal at racknerd that was alright.
You could also try a VPS from hetzner and see if its any better. Here’s my speed test just now using WG on my cell, exit through Hetzner.
Is your test TCP or UDP? My guess is that’s TCP traffic.
Your VPS provider can rate limit as specific as a single UDP port. Try a different WG UDP port or wrap your WG traffic in TCP with other software and try again.
My WG traffic looked like a DOS attack to OVH and I got blackholed for 5min, then 15, then 30.
My guess is your provider is rate limiting your UDP traffic.
There’s free domains too. I can’t recommend any but I know .tk should be free.
My fibre box does TV, phone, and internet all in one. I guess you have one for each? I’m interested to find out if you’ll share.
I think asking them what each of them do and understand it is a good first step. Maybe you can get that down to 2 boxes. Good luck!
Nice! Glad its still working! Definitely triple check with something like https://canyouseeme.org/ when you open ports. I’m a Linux Sys Admin and happy to do my best to help of you have any more questions. At least I’ll try and get you on the right track.
I 100% agree with you on the rest. Canada isn’t doing anything and at this point I’m ready to give up. I’m not sure where to draw the line anymore and self hosting is a bit of a pain for me these days. Personal life is a bit rough and it’s just so easy to make a gmail account and have them host it.
I have two small boxes in a cabinet - one is receiving a white cable that comes from outside my home, and outputs an optical signal that goes into the other box. This other box also gets a coax cable from outside my home, and outputs an ethernet connection that is connected to what my ISP calls a WiFi router. This has additional LAN ports as well.
humm, I’ve never seen or heard of this. I’ve only ever been provided one box by my ISP. I have two guesses… Either you can replace your WiFi router with your own and everything will be okay or you’ll have to add a 3rd that is your own and Plug it into the WiFi router and ask them to put it in bridge mode. My guess is they can help you a lot better then me guessing.
torrent client is bound to the interface created by the VPN client.
perfect. Then you can close the open port on your router for sure. My Torrent client (rutorrent) shows what IP and port I’m using at the bottom, these are my VPN IP and the port I opened with the VPN provider.
The IP address is outside my network
I don’t like this. That’s super weird and I would not trust it. I’m sure it’s “fine” but I’d hard pass on that. Set up my own 100% for sure.
There’s a modem connected to the WAN port, and the router/hotspot is connected to the modem. But I guess that doesn’t change anything?
I don’t understand. Can I get a pic (MS Paint or real or something) or some brand names or something? I understand if you don’t want to show, I’m just not sure what you’re saying.
My ISP gave me a white box, I plug a fibre cable from the street Plus power from the outlet into this box. Then I have a cat6 cable from this box (port 1 as per their instructions) into the WAN port of my firewall. My Firewall has a Public IP on it’s WAN interface and I have 4 ports for LAN. The same firewall gives off wifi to the rest of my house.
I will definitely need to setup this myself then. Do you run this as cron jobs?
Yeah, here’s one of them for a VPS I rent: 30 * * * * root dnf clean all ; dnf -y update && needs-restarting -r || /usr/sbin/reboot
I actually run things in Kubernetes and use https://github.com/keel-hq/keel to keep my pods (containers) up to date.
I do use a VPN (with port forwarding supported, but I have not activated it, which I know could affect performance, but I have not noticed anything here). Is the port opening on my router unnecessary in this case?
The port opening on the router is unnecessary and could be a bad thing. If you’re using a VPN with port forwarding I’d close the one on your router right now. The “open” port is open via the VPN connection so they do all the opening for you, you just need to make sure your PC is on the VPN.
Go to this site with out your VPN on, it will tell you if you’re using your raw internet to download torrents: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/
it sounds like you might be doing that, or at least have the ability for people to connect to you via your ISP (bad) and not over the VPN (good)
Thinking about the torrent thing, there’s no better way to do it. I’d personally open a static port IE 12345 and point that at the torrent client on the PC. I would not randomize it and open a massive range on your firewall just in case. Then just close the client when you’re done and know that packets for 12345 will still reach your PC, they’re just dropped there.
Not that I support it, but if you’re downloading more then just Linux ISOs and you’re in a country with pretty strict laws around this sort of thing, you should be using a VPN that supports opening ports. then you do not need anything open on your firewall, just to connect to the VPN when you’re ready to sail the high seas.
UPNP should be disabled on your firewall (unless you play xbox or whatever). This allows a device, like an xbox or PC, to request your firewall open a port. This is needed for some online games to work properly but is not very good for security.
I open port 8080 where e.g. Nginx Proxy Manager listens. This is the only port anyone can gain access to anything inside my home network, and the proxy manager will say “Hey, this traffic should be redirected to port 8096 and this traffic should go to 4533”, but no direct connections to these ports can be made from outside my own network as they are not exposed.
Draw it out. anything in the path has the potential to be exploited.
Internet -> ISP router -> TCP port 8080 to Nginx Proxy Manager -> TCP 443 to Computer running docker -> Docker Container -> Service.
So, in the above, The entire world will have access to only your IP on port 8080. Nginx proxy manager will take the packet, read it, do what it needs to and forwards it to the destination. I’d say that Nginx proxy manager and the end service are at risk to be exploited. If they get in then They’d be isolated by Docker and they’d need a docker exploit to get out. However, they’ll be in the docker container so they’ll have access to whatever that container has access to, and unless you block outbound access from the container it’s basically everything in your network.
I think what you’re getting at is, if I have Nginx listening on port 443 and is open to the world, can they access my game server on port 1234 that is local only. The answer to this is no. They will not have access to the game server. They need to first hack Nginx, from the PC/Docker container they then need to have access to your game server on port 1234, and if there’s nothing block them (by default I believe there is nothing stopping this) then they can hack your game server.
No, it is https://wifi.myisp.tld.
if you ping wifi.myisp.tld what is the IP address? is it private? what if you go to http://ip.add.re.ss it should be the same thing???
If I’m connected to a VPN or through mobile, it will give me an error. With my previous ISP, it was a simple login with username and password with a SMS 2FA. I never attempted to login from elsewhere then, so it might’ve been likewise protected.
It sounds like it’s private and only you have access. However, the ISP usually have their own way to get into these devices, or at least to push updates or config changes. So your only risk here is the ISP being hacked, then getting you from there. OR the actual device it self having a flaw in it and someone getting in that way. In either case, all the ISP customers will be at risk. You can still go in bridge mode to protect from this.
Yeah, they support bridge mode. So is this essentially enabling free flow of traffic through and completely trusting the secondary router I provide myself?
yes. Bridge mode means the ISP provider router is now only for translation (IE: from coaxial/DSL/Fibre to RJ45/cat cable). You plug the ISP device into the WAN port of your own device and now your device has the public IP address and that is what your trusting to protect you.
And if someone then disabled bridge mode in the online interface (again assuming that this would be possible), I am not exposed as long as I have my own router following the provider’s router?
yeah, as long as the ISP router is plugged into the WAN port of your router and ONLY the WAN port, then you’re safe from the ISP shenanigans.
What happens if I have a port open that nothing is listening to?
The firewall/router will forward that packet to the IP and port. If there is no device on that IP the packet will be dropped inside your network and nothing will happen. If there is a computer there and the Computer firewall is blocking access to that port, the PC Firewall will either drop it or reply saying it’s closed. This depends on how the PC firewall is configured. If the PC has the port open but there is no service, the PC should just drop the packet but it will still make it to the comptuer.
Is that a security concern? For example, the ports to my torrent clients when I am not using the torrent client.
Yes and no. Something could start listening on that port and start replying, You’ll have no idea if a service is listening on it unless your looking or it’s too late.
Ignoring the fact that something COULD start listening on it, then no, there’s no real concern but I’d never do this myself. It’s like giving out a bad phone number as your number, IT’s possible someone will be given this phone number and now you’ll have problems.
As I mentioned above, I am considering a reverse proxy, which to my understanding also limits the number of ports open to 1. How does that compare securitywise in your opionin?
that’s fine, just keep everything in the path up to date. I have port 443 open pointing to nginx, from here I forward traffic to Home Assistant, NextCloud, Headscale, etc, etc. They’re hosted in docker.
I have scripts that try to update everything every hour and I’m not really worried. I’d rather a update to a new version take down my services then trust myself to login every couple days and do it manually.
“Setup a firewall” - on my server or on the router? Or both?
Both. Access from the internet to your devices is protected from your Router. You should only ever open ports to things you want to access outside of your house. For example, a website on TCP 443 is a good thing to allow. Database access on TCP 3306 is NOT something you want to access from the internet.
Internal to your network, you can open up the Database port on TCP 3306 if another computer in your network needs access to it. Don’t leave it open for no reason.
And since my router is provided by my ISP which has its settings exposed through their online portal (which I hate the thought of), how does that factor in?
Is it a private IP Address you use to access (IE http://192.168.0.1 or is it some other thing?) If it’s a private IP address, that’s standard and is no problem. I’ve never heard of logging into something like a public website to open ports on your router.
What use is a router firewall if someone gains access to this portal and can configure at will?
If someone has access to your Internet Providers firwall/router combo device thingy, then it’s game over. they can open any ports, do anything they want to it. However, this is unlikely. Make sure to keep your Router up to date and only open ports that you know what they’re for 100% and what they do. NEVER allow access to the admin panel from the internet (WAN port). Though, if you need to use their public website (which I doubt) then it’s moot and you cant do anything.
Can I set up the router in bridge mode and incorporate my own router, and thus have complete local control of my network?
Yes, if they support it. This is what I do and that’s exactly what’s it’s for.
Couldn’t someone simply deactivate this in the online portal if they gained access there?
Sure but this would give them access to your Providers firewall, which you have your own firewall plugged into so it doesn’t matter. You will still be protected by your self provided firewall, some things will stop working (you’ll be double NATed so public services might not work) and it’ll be a clue someone changed something on your Providers firewall.
And if I open ports in the firewall for a specific application, what risks am I running outside of exploits in the applications themselves? For example, I have opened a port in the router settings for torrenting Linux ISOs (for a specific local IP) - could traffic through the same port be used to compromise the network in other ways? etc. etc.
Yeah, so if you open no ports. you block everything… The only exposure (of people trying to connect to you) is the firewall/router you have sitting there watching what goes on. Keeping this up to date is VERY important and they have pretty good history of not being hacked so I’d say you’re safe. For each port you open you add a service that people from anywhere in the world can talk to. So, if you open port TCP 443 and have Nginx or a website answering requests, you now need to make sure this is as secure as possible. ANYONE ANYWHERE can talk to it. If a exploit is found in Nginx/your website then it can be used to get access into that computer, From there, they are on your computer and can see anything that computer has access to. If you have 2 ports open. IE website + Torrenting, Now you have two things you MUST keep up to date because anyone can talk to them and exploit them to get into your computer. This is why you MUST know what is open to the internet and what it’s doing. The more things you have the more options you give hackers to get in.
Suddenly I have fifteen questions. So when trying to research the answer to these questions, I often get slapped with five concepts I either barely have grasp of or don’t know at all in one sentence that tries to explain what is going on. It’s not that it is impossible to learn this way, but it tends to quickly become overwhelming, and I run into explanations of concepts I don’t have enough prerequisites to learn properly yet. Which is why I am trying to get a coherent introduction to all the topics in a sensible, curated way to beef up my understanding of it, so that the research process becomes easier.
I would do what they said. Start small and at the first point of contact. Understand what is plugged into the internet (ISP Router) and all the settings on it. Understand what NAT means, understand how to open ports, etc. Then start small, Set up a computer and make sure you know what ports are open. If you want a website set it up so it works internally, test it, maybe port scan your server (with nmap or something) to see what’s open and understand what they’re for. Close the ports you don’t need open then you can consider opening it from the internet.
the most important thing is keeping it up to date and only open what you need access to.
A side point is, if it’s just you that needs access to it, consider a VPN (wireguard) or overlay network (tailscale) so you only need to open one port and that will give you access to everything you need in your network.
The thing that got me to pay someone else to host my mail is having outbound blocked by google/Microsoft all the time for no reason.
This… Is what I’ve wanted but never looked up if it was possible. Thank you. I’ve been manually renewing my cert for ages…
I double NAT. My ISP box gives off WiFi for consoles, guests, some IOT. UPNP is enabled and I generally don’t care what goes on there.
My FW is an OPNSense box and everything I do is behind that. I’ve opened ports, run Tailscale, etc and have had no problems at all. All it is is an extra device to open a NAT rule in if I want to open something up.
What makes you keep them separate?
Theoretically, USBC 3.1 has 10Gbit/s from what I’m reading so it sounds like you’re right. My concern is the chipset on the MoBo, how many lanes it has, and what it supports. I haven’t looked into it but I bet this is the limiting factor. Especially if you’re adding a lot of USB devices.
Yep, just an old PC that I moved into a case with hotswap hard drive bays. I also bought a LSI 9300-8i to support the hard drives.
I have a DIY NAS… Not sure of specs any more. Some micro-atx board with a cheaper AMD CPU. All it’s for is an NFS share and I use almost no resources on it.
I have a bunch of PI4 8GB and lenovo m92p tinys that I use for the compute. Their storage is the DIY NAS.
If I was starting out and planned on growing m’y setup, id go option 4. Just do an all in one thing, run everything on it. When you run out of ram/CPU consider a pi or mini like I have. When you need more disk, add it into the NAS.
If you just want something simple option 1. USB will 100% limit transfer speed but what kind of speed do you actually need? What will you run?
Its worth it. Super cool. However, it does need internet to work. It just gets around CGNAT and networks you don’t own (hospital, school, hotel, etc) so you can still access your stuff while you’re not at home.
Your router will get a public IP. For example 1.2.3.4. This is the port your ISP is plugged into. (Perhaps the WAN labeled port) this IP is what you want to access from a different network (cell data, friends house, etc). It’s important that you confirm the WAN IP on your router is a real public IP. Some providers actually give you a private (CGNAT) IP and its a huge pain in the ass. Going to what is my IP or whatever and compare it to your WAN IP on the router website is a good test. They should be the same. If they are, no matter where you are in the world you can access the wan side of your router. If not, tailscale is a good option.
The other port on a router has a private IP, for example 192.168.0.1. This could look 4+ ports but that’s basically just a switch and more or less the same thing.
Anyway, you have to tell your router, if you get something on the WAN port 1.2.3.4 to TCP port 80 you need to forward it to laptop IP 182.168.0.100 TCP port 80.
If this is successful, you need to make sure the laptop firewall allows access to TCP 80 from anywhere. If you can access the laptop website from your phone on WiFi then its pretty safe bet that its allowed from anywhere, unless you told it otherwise.
I like to test public access from on https://canyouseeme.org/
Edit: to add, this will only ever work if you’re at home. Each new network you connect to, you will need to access the router and do the exact same thing to provide access to your laptop. Not ideal, and impossible at something like a hotel or hospital. Overlay network give you a second virtual network that you plug a virtual cable into for all your devices, including phones. If you do this you can just use that second virtual IP to access your stuff no matter where you are.
Good luck!
If you want to stay with whatever provider you have you can try openVPN over TCP or a SOCKS proxy over SSH (both TCP traffic). Anything TCP might be faster than WG