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Xcancel doesn’t work again, I posted the whole tweet here so you don’t have to open twitter.
the tweet only mentions Israel, but in reality all country names were removed like the Japanese raw, only the manga has the real names
United States changed to MAG Union
USSR changed to Volgarena, this name is directly inspired by the Volga River
Israel changed to Ghorantl (or Guranto), made-up word combining “Golan Heights” with “Toru” (to seize).
Syria changed to Mesamia, inspired by Mesopotamia
The mention of Israel in the Latin Spanish dub of The Ghost in the Shell (2026) has been removed…
A few days ago, a clip from the Latin Spanish dub went viral, where Israel was mentioned directly. Fans pointed out that this version was the only one that kept this reference present in the manga, while other versions, including the Japanese one, mentioned the fictional country Ghorantl.
However, after the clip went viral, the dub would have been modified. Now, instead of mentioning Israel directly, expressions like “they” and “other nations” are used.
What do you all think?
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There was a thread related to this some time ago.
Other than Japan, the only other country mentioned by name was Korea (韓国) I assume the reason why the names are changed is to conform to international pressure especially with the state of the world today.
If that were the case, then in my opinion, whoever came up with the names showed some resistance. The names for US and Israel seem to reflect something about the politics today. I think it’s a lot more meaningful if you think of it that way.
It also kind of shows the consequences of anime/manga as it increasingly becomes globalized. I hope international pressure doesn’t continue to restrict creative freedom…
I was the one who posted the original post, there was a development a few days ago. Originally all but the latin dub had the made up names, but a few days ago around September 14, 2026 the latin dub was changed from the real names to the made up names. I suspect that the production company changed the dub without Amazon knowing, since it went viral Amazon noticed and changed the names.
It is strange for the dub to be changed after release
Not really? Dubs can change between the original airing and the physical release, for example when a VA is on vocal rest and they need a backup. Clifford Chapin voiced for the broadcast, as heard in this video, and Aaron Dismuke re-recorded his lines for the Blu Ray later.
In this instance, if I had to guess, the latin dubbers made a mistake and needed to redo those lines to match the rest of the international versions. Maybe they were using the manga as their source for some lines, but I doubt it was some principled stand.
Considering that Ghost in the Shell isn’t real, I do wonder, Why does it matter? It’s all make-believe anyways.
Because in some respects the original ghost in the shell was saying something about these nations. The entire significance of the back end political theater is a bit meaningless if the places talked about are abstract considering it has to do with one nation faking a terrorist attack in order to perpetuate a war against another nation. This isn’t even touching how, in the world of GitS, the United States is supposed to be a tyrannical empire on the quest of taking over the entire Americas and a bit of a malicious ally to Japan. Gee, I wonder why they censored that. 🤔
The goal Science Saru had was to adapt the manga as is. The censorship of it, unfortunately, has undermined the goal. I still enjoyed it but I hope that an eventual blu ray release untainted hy Amazon restores the intended names. It really hurts the world building of the original GitS which, yes had plenty of fake names, but did try to ground those fake names as evolutions of existing nation states.
Oh hey welcome back Machine. Wanna talk about this again? Or should we wait for Walters and his ad hominems?
Yes, the Japanese dub fictionalized the names of some countries (not even all of them, the screenshot here literally says Japón). Yes, that was a change from the manga. Yes, this probably caused a bunch of confusion for the various dubbing and subbing contractors who were tasked with localizing the show to their language. Is all this really a malicious conspiracy to obscure Israel’s ongoing genocide? Or does Hanlon’s Razor apply?
ad homini
It’s rhetorical
Bruv read the Ἰλιάς, and took the 4th wall break personally. Literacy is waining😭 chat.
hold up, something isn’t right. The movies subs aren’t something that is offered in Mexico theaters, it’s very rare to find one that even offers it. The movies we get in Mexico gets overlayed badly by Spanish voice actors. What does the original voice lines in spanish say? This can be a clue on who might be responsible for the subs changes.
I don’t know which company is responsible for the latin subs and dubs, but this is from Amazon.
