I don’t usually share what I build. Most of it lives on Codeberg or Github as a glorified off-site backup. 3-2-1 and all that. If I nuke my drive, I can pull it back down. That’s the whole point for me.

A while back I mentioned Pimaps here, a few people asked to see it, so I posted it. Got dunked on for AI slop despite explicitly marking which parts were AI-assisted (documentation and review- flagged with AIP). Similar story with Cliparr. I get it - Lemmy hates AI in any capacity.

What does the community actually expect from devs when sharing a project? I’m not assuming everyone here is a professional dev - though I’d guess the overlap is significant - so I’m wondering where the bar sits.

Polish? Full handwritten codebase? Something else?

How much of the sausage making do you actually want to see?

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    In this post and your linked post you come off as quite confrontational while exaggerating the dissent and underplaying the support. It’s a great way to get comments that strongly disagree with you. In all of that commotion, it sounds like you’ve missed the point: You’re regretting the AI disclosure, when really people were voicing their opinions in hopes that you’d regret/rethink the AI use.

    Personally, I really like the AI disclosures. I like seeing how the sausage is made and what it’s made with. If the sausage is stuffed with hot dog “meat” I want to know. I’ll also avoid it like I avoid junk food, because that’s what it is. LLM-generated code is the junk food of programming. It’s a waste of resources, it’s bad for your (and everyone’s) health, and it can’t be trusted.

    Some people really like junk food and hot dogs, and that’s fine. We just need to be clear that that’s not healthy and encourage healthier habits like eating fruits and vegetables (or at least real meat). People like ignoring the externalities of junk food and LLMs; both are responsible for a lot of pollution and societal harm (increased healthcare costs, dark patterns, misinformation, etc.). That’s enough reason for some people to completely remove them from their lives and be understandably vocal about how others should too.

    The occasional sweet treat isn’t bad, but making sweet treats at home is always better. At home, I have more control over what ingredients I use and where I buy them from. Though I know I’ll never be able to use zero resources to make a good cinnamon roll, I can at least make the most optimal choices for myself. Ask yourself this: what value does text I generate provide? Could someone else, given the same information, generate the same text? Could someone else write functionality similar text without boiling the oceans and massive copyright infringement? I think any LLM-generated content that anyone could reasonably generate and use themselves is worthless and a net negative impact on the world. If it’s LLM-generated content that can’t be immediately/easily used, then you’re at least providing some real value by doing some work to make it usable.

    AI disclosure doesn’t protect you against other people’s opinions. Some people will buy and consume the product, some people will try out the product and decide it’s not for them, some people will discover the product is made very unethically and decry it publicly in hopes that others won’t enable the ethical violations.

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      My intention isn’t to be confrontational, though I am genuinely perplexed, and that’s probably what you’re reading.

      I don’t believe highlighting the AI tribalism is exaggerated. Technology is literally one of the top communities on Lemmy - one rarely (never?) sees positive comments about AI there. Hell, FuckAI is literally an active community here.

      On regret: why should anyone “regret” using a tool? If we need to take moral consideration into tool use… well…should we regret using mobile phones? I would argue they are just as reprehensible.

      If a dev used a local model to spelunk the codebase and write the documentation, would that sit better? Why? I’m not sure the line is where people think it is.